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transformers: 1986 vs. 2007

July 15th, 2007 by John Marcotte

Transformers: 1986 vs. 2007

The Transformers movie juggernaut has been merrily worming its way into America’s hearts and wallets for the past week. Although I haven’t seen it yet, I was struck by what a great cast they had put together: Hugo Weaving, Shia LaBeouf, Jon Voight. Then I thought back to the original Transformers movie, a mostly forgotten cartoon opus unleashed in theaters in 1986, and I realized that it may have had an even better cast. I decided there was only one way to find out: I pitted the cast of 1986 vs. the cast of 2007, mano-a-mano, in a battle to the death.

Eric Idle vs. Shia LaBeouf

Eric Idle
Wreck-Gar
Shia LaBeouf
Sam Witwicky
European Vacation
The Adventures of Baron Munchausen
The Meaning of Life
The Life of Brian
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Disturbia
Bobby
Holes
Dumb and Dumberer
The Even Stevens Movie

This is patently unfair, pitting a young actor in his first big movie against a seasoned vet like Idle, but the 1986 Transformers cartoon didn’t have any humans in it, so LaBeouf doesn’t have an obvious counterpart in the old film. Idle is a comic legend, a founding member of Monty Python and writer-producer of the Python-inspired Broadway smash Spamalot! But perhaps Idle’s proudest moment was when he voiced Wreck-Gar, leader of the “Junkions.” Wreck-Gar is notable for being the only robot in the series that had the ability to grow facial hair, sporting a wicked Fu-Manchu mustache and a soul patch. LaBeouf is a talented young actor who is likely destined for great things — but he hasn’t done them yet.

Point: 1986

Judd Nelson vs. Josh Duhamel

Judd Nelson
Hot Rod/Roddimus Prime
Josh Duhamel
Captain Lennox
“Suddenly Susan”
Airheads
New Jack City
St. Elmo’s Fire
The Breakfast Club
“Las Vegas”
“Crossing Jordan”
Turistas
Win a Date with Tad Hamilton!
“All My Children”

It would be easy to throw this one to Duhamel, Nelson’s career appears to be safely regulated to direct-to-DVD titles found in the “bargain bin” at your local Blockbuster, but I think you need to compare 1986’s Nelson to 2007’s Duhamel. In 1986, Nelson was one year out from the one-two punch of The Breakfast Club and St. Elmo’s Fire. In contrast, Duhamel has done a crappy torture-porn horror flick and starred in a few mediocre TV shows. He can demand a recount when he has done anything as good as The Breakfast Club.

Point 1986

Scatman Crothers vs. Bernie Mac

Scatman Crothers
Jazz
Bernie Mac
Bobby Bolivia
The Shining
One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest
Silver Streak
The AristoCats
Symphony in Black
“The Bernie Mac Show”
Mr. 3000
Head of State
Ocean’s 11
Booty Call

Bernie Mac and Scatman Crothers are quite similar — gifted character actors who frequently steal scenes from the big-name Hollywood stars they are supposed to be supporting. But, in a reoccurring theme, Crothers has just been doing it longer than Mac. Crothers first appeared as jazz legend Billie Holiday’s lover in 1935’s Symphony in Black. 50 years later he lent his voice to the Autobot Jazz in his last film. Crothers also appeared in comedies like Silver Streak with Richard Pryor and Gene Wilder and effortlessly shifted to drama opposite Jack Nicholson in MilosForman’s One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest and again in Stanley Kubrick’s The Shining.

Point 1986

Leonard Nimoy vs. Hugo Weaving

Leonard Nimoy
Galvatron
Hugo Weaving
Megatron
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
“Mission: Impossible”
“Star Trek”
V for Vendetta
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
The Matrix
Babe
The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert

It struck me when researching this article how similar Nimoy and Weaving are: both are talented actors with amazing voices; both created iconic science fiction/fantasy characters in genre-defining programs and films; amd both wore pointy ears for a time. But Weaving learned from Nimoy’s mistake. He has defined the roles he played, not the other way around. It is telling that three of the five projects I listed for Nimoy contain the words “Star Trek.” For better or worse, Mr. Spock put a Vulcan nerve pinch on Nimoy’s career. Weaving, on the other hand, has managed to shift effortlessly from a transvestite cabaret performer in Priscilla to The Matrix’s evil Agent Smith to the noble elf Elrond of Middle-Earth. Tough call, but I’m giving it to the Aussie.

Point 2007

Orson Welles vs. Jon Voight

Orson Wells
Unicron
Jon Voight
John Keller
The Muppet Movie
Touch of Evil
The Third Man
Macbeth
Citizen Kane
Ali
Heat
Deliverance
Catch-22
Midnight Cowboy

As great an actor as Voight is, this is a no-brainer. Wells created what is consistently credited as the greatest movie ever made, Citizen Kane. He followed that with tour de force performances in Macbeth, the film noir classic The Third Man and Othello. Even after the constant battles with the both studios and alcohol had taken their toll, Wells was still able to lend his formidable gravitas to such instant classics as The Muppet Movie. Reduced to commercials and voice-over work by the eighties, he was still arguably the greatest maverick genius Hollywood had ever produced. Voigt has given the world a few memorable roles and — to his credit — Angelina Jolie. It’s not even close.

Point 1986

Summary

1986: 4 points
2007: 1 point

Let me be clear, I believe that the 2007 version of the Transformers is superior to the 1986 version in almost every conceivable way — except for the cast. The producers of the 1986 movie were consistently able to get top-notch actors who were slightly past their expiration date. Although the pay was crappy, cartoon voiceover work was considered easy money and that helped them draw extremely talented actors. So ooh and aah all you want over Michael Bay’s latest overblown CGI extravaganza, but realize that, pound for pound, it was the original cast that was the one that had more than meets the eye.

Trivia

Transformers: The Movie was the last film for both Orson Wells and Scatman Crothers.

Peter Cullin reprised his voice role as Optimus Prime in both films.

Charlie Adler, who voiced the Decepticon Starscream in the 2007 film, voiced the Autobot Silverbolt in the original series. Aside from Cullin, he was the only holdover from the original series.

Orson Wells was rumored to have hated the 1986 movie. When asked about his role, he couldn’t remember his character’s name, and describes his part as “a big toy who attacks a bunch of smaller toys.”

Michael Bay originally turned down this film, calling it a “a stupid toy movie.” He then remembered that he has said the exact same thing about Raiders of the Lost Ark while working at Lucasfilm in the early eighties. This led to the startling discovery that Michael Bay can do moderately acceptable work if he completely ignores his own instincts.

Casey Kasem and Don Messnick did voice work on the 1986 movie, reuniting the two voices behind Shaggy and Scooby-Doo, respectively. An interesting side-note: Lebanese Kasem eventually left the show due to its consistent stereotypical depiction of Arabs as terrorists. Rather than replacing his voice, the Autobot Cliffjumper was simply written out of the show.

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10 Responses to “transformers: 1986 vs. 2007”

  1. 1
    Movie Rocker Report Says:

    links from Technorati Read original article.

  2. 2
    Brian McDonough Says:

    Your grasp of microtrivia about something as nanotrivial as the Transformers of 1986 leaves me slackjawed with a combination of wonder and horror. (Worror? Hunder?)

    It’s as though I’d seen you chase a squirrel through the park, catch it and bite its head off. Mostly I’d be horrified, but part of me would be, like, “Wow — John can run FAST.”

    So, yeah, call me one part impressed to two parts worried for your mental health.

  3. 3
    John Marcotte Says:

    You wound me, sir! I left squirrels long ago in order to concentrate on pigeons.

    As to the trivia, I did do research for this, you realize. I am not some sort of Rain-Man-esque Transformers idiot savant.

    I did remember that Orson Welles was in the original movie, however. The article sprang from that fact.

  4. 4
    JK Says:

    It’s just the CGI really, Michael Bay didn’t need a good cast. All he needs&cares is the money to make a blockbuster.

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    Alex Keefe Says:

    I don’t think I’d call the original 1986 “Transformers the Movie” all-but-forgotten. It’s still fondly remembered by Transformers fans and fans of animation as a stand-out piece of the 1980’s, is on IGN’s list of Top 25 animated films of all time as well as still getting play at Botcon pretty much every year, and just as recently as last year got a 20th Anniversary DVD re-release through Sony BMG. Maybe in your opinion in wasn’t a great movie but, in all honesty it’s probably the longest lasting and best remembered piece of animation from the 1980’s. The movie did have stellar production values and is just as good to most folks, if not better, than the 2007 version. This isn’t to say that the 2007 version sucked…far from it. Just that the comment by you was a bit erroneous. Anyway, thanks for your time.

  7. 7
    John Marcotte Says:

    I dunno. I liked the cartoon version of the Transformers, but the 1986 movie was not enough of a leap forward for me. It played like a TV show on the big screen. It grossed $5,706,456 in the US box-office, so it didn’t do too well there.

    I think that people who enjoy animation, comic books and other geeky activities were aware of the film and have seen it, but I think the vast majority of the American movie-going public were probably not even aware that it existed.

    Just my $.02.

  8. 8
    John Says:

    When giving Judd Nelson his movie credits you omitted posibly one of his only cool movies “The Dark Backwards”

  9. 9
    Alex Keefe Says:

    Yeah, that’s understandable. I realize that not everyone is gonna like the film but, just that credit should be given where it’s due. I don’t think the movie was properly marketed seeing as how it was only in a very few select theatres. On top of that, the violence level was too much for kids at the time but, at the same time the property was very kid-centric so it couldn’t quite find it’s audience there. Personally, I don’t think the movie would have succeeded anyway due to Disney dominating the theatrical animation market. Look at Don Bluth and Gary Goldman’s efforts as well as Dreamworks’ and Warner Brothers’. That’s not even mentioning all the other smaller studios that tried and failed to market theatrical animation here in the U.S. All in all, I agree that outside of Transformers fandom it’s probably pretty unknown or reviled (Roger Ebert and Leonard Maltin) but, if it were completely unknown I don’t think Sony would have bothered with a souped up DVD like it did.

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