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	<title>Comments on: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007)</title>
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		<title>By: Rouver</title>
		<link>http://www.badmouth.net/harry-potter-and-the-order-of-the-phoenix-2007/#comment-94981</link>
		<dc:creator>Rouver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Wesley on his assessment of the new Dumbledore.  In one scene, he throws Harry against a wall in anger/frustration (yeah yeah...movies &#38; books meld together for me), which I felt was out of character for him.

John: when you read the books, keep in mind that while Rowling was excellent at setting up her magical world, and wrapping up her story in a pretty satisfying manner, her strength does not lie in maintaining this world throughout the intervening books.  They drag.  I believe the sixth book could be wrapped up with 4 plot points.  I read them all, and was glad I did, but she got pretty lucky that the first couple books were such an amazing success.  Books 3-6 almost feel like they were written specifically to become movies.  Large swaths of the book can be completely removed without any bearing on the plot.  

The one thing I'll give her is that she can write a very accurate description of what goes through a teenager's head.  This, of course, makes for excruciating reading.  You definitely want to smack some characters in the head during the books and scream, "What are you THINKING?".  Which is exactly what you'd probably do to yourself, if you could go back in time to that age.

Of course, the most interesting character...the one that you keep reading the books to find out what his motivations are...is Snape.  She juggles him pretty expertly.  You just never are completely sure what's going on with him, and I appreciated her writing in that area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Wesley on his assessment of the new Dumbledore.  In one scene, he throws Harry against a wall in anger/frustration (yeah yeah&#8230;movies &amp; books meld together for me), which I felt was out of character for him.</p>
<p>John: when you read the books, keep in mind that while Rowling was excellent at setting up her magical world, and wrapping up her story in a pretty satisfying manner, her strength does not lie in maintaining this world throughout the intervening books.  They drag.  I believe the sixth book could be wrapped up with 4 plot points.  I read them all, and was glad I did, but she got pretty lucky that the first couple books were such an amazing success.  Books 3-6 almost feel like they were written specifically to become movies.  Large swaths of the book can be completely removed without any bearing on the plot.  </p>
<p>The one thing I&#8217;ll give her is that she can write a very accurate description of what goes through a teenager&#8217;s head.  This, of course, makes for excruciating reading.  You definitely want to smack some characters in the head during the books and scream, &#8220;What are you THINKING?&#8221;.  Which is exactly what you&#8217;d probably do to yourself, if you could go back in time to that age.</p>
<p>Of course, the most interesting character&#8230;the one that you keep reading the books to find out what his motivations are&#8230;is Snape.  She juggles him pretty expertly.  You just never are completely sure what&#8217;s going on with him, and I appreciated her writing in that area.</p>
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		<title>By: J. S. Wesley</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. S. Wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they could have done much better at re-casting Dumbledore's part. I admit the beard and look of Richard Harris's replacement was convincing, however, Mr. Harris had a glint of wisdom with humor and kindness in his eyes and a melodious manner of speaking that conveyed the same.  For me, this was one of the more captivating aspects of the early Harry Potter movies. I find his replacement way too intense, lacking  whimsy, joy, and humor. This is something that I can't seem to dismiss with each new movie. I've had to move on with my life....
This movie being PG 10 means it will make an appearance in my home for a couple years..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they could have done much better at re-casting Dumbledore&#8217;s part. I admit the beard and look of Richard Harris&#8217;s replacement was convincing, however, Mr. Harris had a glint of wisdom with humor and kindness in his eyes and a melodious manner of speaking that conveyed the same.  For me, this was one of the more captivating aspects of the early Harry Potter movies. I find his replacement way too intense, lacking  whimsy, joy, and humor. This is something that I can&#8217;t seem to dismiss with each new movie. I&#8217;ve had to move on with my life&#8230;.<br />
This movie being PG 10 means it will make an appearance in my home for a couple years..</p>
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		<title>By: John Marcotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Marcotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dumbledore was originally played by Richard Harris, who passed on. Some inspired casting and a large beard combined to insure that most people didn't even notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumbledore was originally played by Richard Harris, who passed on. Some inspired casting and a large beard combined to insure that most people didn&#8217;t even notice.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian McDonough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian McDonough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin -- You're dead right, of course.  I was wrong about McKellan.  I'd fire my copy editor if he wasn't me.  I've corrected it in the text (but leave our comments here to make sure no one misses my idiocy).  What hurts more is Dumbledore is actually the great Michael Gambon, and "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover" is one of my favorite films.  I'm doubly embarrassed.

And thanks for not dismissing the whole review on that really lame flub.  I agree that Lord of the Rings are better standalone movies (since I've forgotten my childhood reading of the books) but, like the Potter films, they're just too damned long and too unwilling to simplify.  Nonetheless, they're much, much less hobbled by this than the Potters.

On needing to let the material age to make a really classic adaptation ... I'll bet there's examples to go either way ("The Maltese Falcon" and "Gone With the Wind" weren't terribly old when the films were made, and the "Chronicles of Narnia" was, though the film was bland).  But I think anything that lends perspective is a good idea.

Patrick -- After writing my reviews, I sometimes wish I'd gone a half star or so higher or lower, as my experience of the film marinates.  I could see giving the film a half-star more, but if I compare it to the way I've rated other films, I've gotta say I feel okay about it (three stars to four for the new "Die Hard," three for "1408" and "Spider-Man 3," and 2.5 for "Shrek 3" and the "Fantastic Four" sequel.  If I were willing to go back and edit anything besides my astonishing cast typos, yeah, I'd give it half a star more (and half less for "Spider-Man 3").

Good call on favorite scenes, though.  Those were favorites of mine, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin &#8212; You&#8217;re dead right, of course.  I was wrong about McKellan.  I&#8217;d fire my copy editor if he wasn&#8217;t me.  I&#8217;ve corrected it in the text (but leave our comments here to make sure no one misses my idiocy).  What hurts more is Dumbledore is actually the great Michael Gambon, and &#8220;The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover&#8221; is one of my favorite films.  I&#8217;m doubly embarrassed.</p>
<p>And thanks for not dismissing the whole review on that really lame flub.  I agree that Lord of the Rings are better standalone movies (since I&#8217;ve forgotten my childhood reading of the books) but, like the Potter films, they&#8217;re just too damned long and too unwilling to simplify.  Nonetheless, they&#8217;re much, much less hobbled by this than the Potters.</p>
<p>On needing to let the material age to make a really classic adaptation &#8230; I&#8217;ll bet there&#8217;s examples to go either way (&#8221;The Maltese Falcon&#8221; and &#8220;Gone With the Wind&#8221; weren&#8217;t terribly old when the films were made, and the &#8220;Chronicles of Narnia&#8221; was, though the film was bland).  But I think anything that lends perspective is a good idea.</p>
<p>Patrick &#8212; After writing my reviews, I sometimes wish I&#8217;d gone a half star or so higher or lower, as my experience of the film marinates.  I could see giving the film a half-star more, but if I compare it to the way I&#8217;ve rated other films, I&#8217;ve gotta say I feel okay about it (three stars to four for the new &#8220;Die Hard,&#8221; three for &#8220;1408&#8243; and &#8220;Spider-Man 3,&#8221; and 2.5 for &#8220;Shrek 3&#8243; and the &#8220;Fantastic Four&#8221; sequel.  If I were willing to go back and edit anything besides my astonishing cast typos, yeah, I&#8217;d give it half a star more (and half less for &#8220;Spider-Man 3&#8243;).</p>
<p>Good call on favorite scenes, though.  Those were favorites of mine, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: John Marcotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Marcotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fixed the McKellan reference. Thanks for pointing it out. Most people probably don't realize that he was cast as Hermione after the unfortunate passing of Emma Watson...

-The Mgmt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fixed the McKellan reference. Thanks for pointing it out. Most people probably don&#8217;t realize that he was cast as Hermione after the unfortunate passing of Emma Watson&#8230;</p>
<p>-The Mgmt.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Solomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've never picked up one of these books, so I go into each of these films as a non-reader. I think this one is my second favorite of the series behind Azkaban, in no small part to Yates. He has no problem making the action make sense, and he doesn't overplay the drama -- even at its sappiest. There were moments in this film that could have gone so wrong in the wrong hands... I'm thinking specifically of (don't worry, no spoilers):

1) When Sirius accidentally calls Harry by his father's name.
2) When we find out why Snape is so ambivalent when it comes to Harry. As a matter of fact, this is now my favorite scene out of all five films.

I definitely would have given this film one more star. No Potter movie is ever going to be grand cinema, but this one was so much more than just competent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never picked up one of these books, so I go into each of these films as a non-reader. I think this one is my second favorite of the series behind Azkaban, in no small part to Yates. He has no problem making the action make sense, and he doesn&#8217;t overplay the drama &#8212; even at its sappiest. There were moments in this film that could have gone so wrong in the wrong hands&#8230; I&#8217;m thinking specifically of (don&#8217;t worry, no spoilers):</p>
<p>1) When Sirius accidentally calls Harry by his father&#8217;s name.<br />
2) When we find out why Snape is so ambivalent when it comes to Harry. As a matter of fact, this is now my favorite scene out of all five films.</p>
<p>I definitely would have given this film one more star. No Potter movie is ever going to be grand cinema, but this one was so much more than just competent.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When was Ian McKellan in this film? It does hurt a review somewhat with such mistakes, but, that said, I think most of the review is dead on. Harry Potter films aren't reviewable, they are their own animal, created solely for a solid base of fans of the books. In contrast, I think a good example of a 'film series' successfully adapted from a book series, is The Lord of The Rings, a film series, in which McKellan did appear... Harry Potter is simply too new of a series to adapt into cinema masterpieces. Film adaptations of books are best done when the material is aged. Fresh, hit books, are made into films that appeal to the fans that made the book a success, not to create cinematic dynamite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When was Ian McKellan in this film? It does hurt a review somewhat with such mistakes, but, that said, I think most of the review is dead on. Harry Potter films aren&#8217;t reviewable, they are their own animal, created solely for a solid base of fans of the books. In contrast, I think a good example of a &#8216;film series&#8217; successfully adapted from a book series, is The Lord of The Rings, a film series, in which McKellan did appear&#8230; Harry Potter is simply too new of a series to adapt into cinema masterpieces. Film adaptations of books are best done when the material is aged. Fresh, hit books, are made into films that appeal to the fans that made the book a success, not to create cinematic dynamite.</p>
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		<title>By: John Marcotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Marcotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your review mirrored what I saw on "Ebert &#038; Roeper" last weekend. I really need to read the books or see some of the movies or something. I saw the first film, and it was fine, but obviously it isn't what set the world's children on fire. The book must hold more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your review mirrored what I saw on &#8220;Ebert &#038; Roeper&#8221; last weekend. I really need to read the books or see some of the movies or something. I saw the first film, and it was fine, but obviously it isn&#8217;t what set the world&#8217;s children on fire. The book must hold more.</p>
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